Saturday, March 24, 2007

where did all the hate come from?

my good friend crystal handed me some material passed on to her agnostic mother from the neighbor next door...crystal is always amused- wait, slightly annoyed by the magazines and boycott papers she finds in her mother's house...

this week, it is interesting that this should come up...this is the reason that the american family association is boycotting ford...i find it strange that they just don't ban the tv program that actually has the explicit scene in it...but instead, it is spelled out in graphic detail so that basically, i sense we should ban the afa.net website for containing this material...

what is even funnier, is that i typed in the website posted on this letter in which the afa has listed as their site...which is in turn, afa.org- which is the air force association...somebody needs a proofreader!! the letter has "what to say to ford dealers" and how to approach the boycott in a polite, but firm way...

bottom line: that whole love your neighbor thing is apparently overrated...

13 Comments:

At 10:35 AM, Blogger astrocero said...

so i went to the website and it scares me that people can hate in the name of Christ. i did find this video on the site http://www.afa.net/videos/chicago_gaypride.html

i am still wondering, could it be that just maybe the folks who are so anti homosexuals, are in fact closeted themselves?

 
At 1:45 PM, Blogger Monica said...

it's a theory...but i think that people are, in general, so NOT able to talk about heterosexuality in any form or fashion that to consider homosexuality is just plain beyond them...oh, and the bible has told them it is wrong so that is a big one...a good reason to hate...but it seems strange that the same judgment we all escape from God is exempt to homosexuals...the last time i checked, they were HUMAN? so, i can't really understand the fuel to hate...mostly, i think it to be founded in FEAR...

 
At 7:21 PM, Blogger astrocero said...

"...but i think that people are, in general, so NOT able to talk about heterosexuality in any form or fashion that to consider homosexuality is just plain beyond them..." i had never thought about this, it would be hard to speak of anything dealing with sexuality if you are ashamed of it, gay or straight. maybe if there was a dialog for Christians to discuss sexuality as a Christian and share rather than judge, it may help? well quite frankly, what is Christian sexuality?

 
At 7:45 PM, Blogger Monica said...

i think you cannot consider sexuality apart from the christian perspective...and by saying this, it is a creation- not a mutation of humanity...we have such a distorted sense of sexuality...think of how much objectification of sex is used to sell us things? a freakin carl's jr commercial with paris is the epitome of objectification to taunt us in the direction of MONEY...all we see is sex and money...we forget that some of the most intense moments in our lives are spent with two creatures, humans for us, in total mutuality to one another...not some porn show that we want to imitate- true mutuality in pleasure, connection, ONENESS...things that move us beyond the sexual encounter...and to our disadvantage, there are christians that have never had this experience...where is this being talked about? it's sad to say, but not even in the church...the church is too caught up in who is supposed to be on top!! they don't want to talk about mutuality in any realm because then the fear of losing power rises to the top...the thing is, in mutuality, no one cares about power...it is the oneness that moves and entices everything...i digress...

 
At 10:10 PM, Blogger astrocero said...

i do sense someone may need to administer a cold shower.(i kid)

i am still left puzzled, what is the Christian perspective on sexuality, if there even is a singular point of view. i only wonder as to one day understand my fellow inhabitants on this here earth(i almost said man), i would love to find out as a man, what is expected of me from Christianity, and what might a woman, or dare i say a Christian woman may come to expect from me as a Christian man, and is it the same one might expect from a non Christian woman to a non Christian man,or a non Christian man/woman to a Christian man/woman? i may need to break out my logic books, and obtain a few axiom to help me along.

 
At 10:36 PM, Blogger Monica said...

no, it is interesting how you perceive Christian sexuality different from what...the secular world? the act itself? the boundaries that exist within the act of sexual intercourse? let's be honest, i doubt that there are many christians out there beseeching God to be in the midst of the act...i dare say many of them leave God out of the sexual act all together...what one person "expects" vs. another is up for grabs...you could poll six peole here in the dorm and you are gonna get six different understandings of what it means to engage in sexual intercouse, what is expected during s.i., and i would love to hear what they say if they were asked if they believe God was somehow in the midst of it!! Christians avoid the god-sex talk...never mind that there are symbols everywhere in the church that embody the penis and the womb...we forget to talk about what that kind of intimacy with God is like...or does it exist? i don't have a specific answer, only because i am thinking of how i might respond to "expectations..." doesn't the world have a good hand at telling us what to do in bed with someone else? and if the world is the only voice talking, showing, teaching, then where does that leave the church in dealing with the god-sex issue? i am going to have to say...silent...and we are reaping what we are sowing in that arena...since the church won't talk about it, the porn industry will profit from our silence...i also think that the silence fuels fear...and ignorance...and it steals away what goodness the church could offer the human race regarding non-objectifying sex talk...i am merely being idealistic...but i have been thinking about this for a while...i probably don't have expectations within the realm i am speaking of- only because we are not forced to wrestle with what happens with each of us sexually...we only know if was "good"..."best sex i ever had"...we don't even know how to talk about sexuality beyond the physical act...that is why if we can't talk about our own, considering homosexuality is waaaay off the charts...

 
At 1:55 AM, Blogger astrocero said...

i am entertained and appreciative of this discourse, however, what i meant by "i would love to find out as a man..." was simply, as a Christian Man, what might be expected of me as well a man. not in a purely physical but roles. i only perceive Christian sexuality different from the secular world because i think there may be a difference. when i posed the question above, i honestly had no thought of the physical, no innuendo what so ever(i know surprising, but true. i am searching inside of me, what i know about Christianity, my personal beliefs, and others to come to a conclusion as to what might be a single voice for Christian Sexuality. sorry if i wasn't clearer, i do hope that there is a Christian Sexuality beyond the physical, although i guess there is a reason it is called "missionary"(sorry rather obvious)

 
At 10:22 PM, Blogger Monica said...

sorry it's taken me so long to get back...and yes, missionary is totally the answer!! hehe

i don't really know what to tell you...for every person, there's an opinion...i am not sure i even have a formula? let's just say that if sexuality is within the realm of the creator, then there must be something...and i hate this word...mystical? people try to say things like- connection- soul mate- she gets me- we don't have to say a word...i think this is somewhat a move in the right direction, but when there is a basis of mutuality, things idealy are different...i don't know why i would think this...i think maybe it is what i hope for? :)

 
At 3:24 PM, Blogger astrocero said...

I wonder, do Christians have better sex than non Christians? I am sure there is little to no difference. However, maybe God has gifted a few of us to be the Christian Sexuality Apostles? (I am not going to claim membership, but maybe only serious consideration, ha-ha).

I think maybe I should study this, I am fascinated by the chance that there are two answers in the questions I ask here. The first is finding if there is a “Christian Sexuality” in regards to sex roles for man and woman, and how this effects what society is expecting of us as man and woman. The second is, Do Christians have better sex than the secular world? I can’t answer this as I am barely a Christian, and I have never slept with a practicing Christian. I also wonder, could we substitute Christian Sexuality, to Spiritual Sexuality. I mean this, if one is spiritual, does this make one a better lover? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 
At 8:06 AM, Blogger Monica said...

yeah- i'm not sure how i feel about Xian vs nonXian...we are all humans...and essentially, created by God...so really, faith? is the distinguisher? what does faith enhance? good luck with the research...let me know what you come up with...

 
At 2:11 PM, Blogger astrocero said...

i will set this up with field experiments, i need to sleep with women from all denominations, and faiths, and from there i will see what the data shows, so if anyone could help me out in the name of science, and spirituality, that would be great.(i am not sure if i am joking, but we shall see).

 
At 8:02 AM, Blogger Monica said...

i can always count on you to be thourough!! this might be prove to be interesting...:) good luck!!

 
At 2:50 PM, Blogger Georgy said...

WOW! This whole thing is INSANE! I am with you, Mon. Why aren't we boycotting F/X?! And apparently Ford (as a company) is no longer allowed to have an opinion. I found the ewbsite for this organization both fascinating and frightening!

 

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